Thanks to the GrafBoys once again for their brilliant research & tireless work in exposing the dangers of 1080 poison. Visit their TV Wild website for more of their work. Particularly, a must watch is their award winning doco called Poisoning Paradise.
This latest interview is from the GrafBoys (TV Wild) revealing more from the family who were poisoned from eating wild pork, likely by all appearances from a 1080 treated area. Basically a trail of flip flops from day one, it all reeks of cover up in what looks like a scramble to exclude 1080 as a possible cause. I mean, not testing the meal for 1080 at all? Not testing the family’s urine until after the required timeline for testing has expired? This is not rocket science and it is not the first time the NZ health authorities have bungled in the field of testing for correct diagnosis. Back in 2006 a NZ medical doctor suspected 1080 poisoning as the cause of death in a young woman, and subsequently the NZ lab charged with testing her heart to confirm or rule out this possibility lost her heart.
See links to the the TV Wild channel at the video on Youtube (click on YT icon, bottom right of video). For the history of this story go to this page or for all 1080 posts find 1080 under categories at left of the page. For more info on 1080 see our 1080 pages at the main menu. (See updates below from Kathy White).
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Further comments from Waikato Regional Councillor Kathy White:
I’ve spent the last few weeks reading the medical notes of the Kochumman family that was poisoned through eating wild boar. Here are the things that have resonated with me: (1) the first working diagnosis by the registrar on the day the family was admitted to hospital was “consumption of meat containing poison used for possum/rodent killing ? neurotoxin ? 1080 ? strychnine poisoning which can produce a picture of lactic acidosis, nausea, vomiting, altered mental state and convulsions. Saying this, the differential remains wide, although we do not think this is infection … I cannot come up with an alternative pathology for raised lactate. May need to see if the police can test the meat for neurotoxins.”
If this was the working diagnosis from Day One, why did the authorities not test any of the food for 1080 poison or its metabolites? Why did they not test the patients for 1080 poisoning until 18 days later? The medical notes show doctors were waiting for a 1080 test result. And yet someone made the decision not to do these tests, or to at least delay them. Unfortunately, testing urine for 1080 18 days after hospitalisation does not fit with testing protocol and renders the test unreliable.
Kathy White is the Waikato Regional Councillor for Taupo-Rotorua. This is her personal view.
Follow this link for a further press release from Kathy White:
Very unfortunate, because although 1080 was suspected early on, they didn’t test for it until EIGHTEEN days later. As the esteemed & so called health professionals would have known at the time, testing for it after 7 days is useless as all presence of 1080 would be gone from the urine & that is according to DoC’s own documentation. So the tests would have been USELESS. (See Charles Eason’s Vertebrate Pesticides Toxicology Manual for further details). This would explain why the family had such difficulty in acquiring their medical notes in the first instance.
So … unfortunate? Or deliberate? Why in a suspected poisoning ask yourself, do you NOT test for the glaringly obvious? And even more importantly, why do you keep telling the public via the media that the diagnosis is botulism when three days in that diagnosis has been eliminated. And by a SPECIALIST. The media (stuff) was headlining ‘botulism’ on 4th December still – the poisoning occurred on 10th November. We published an article on 10th December with comments from a Neuroscientist (who wished to remain anonymous) posing questions about the diagnosis & claiming the symptoms did not match botulism:
“Rehabilitation from sub lethal 1080 poisoning is simple. Time.
Botulism treatment takes a long time, years. Whereas recovery from sub lethal 1080 poisoning is much faster.
This family could have been treated for alzheimers, for mumps, for shellfish poisoning, for botulism, for polio, for meningitis. The results would be the same, they would recover.
The timeline of the recovery is just as diagnostic as the timeline of the illness, and the time line does NOT fit botulism” … Serena Maja, Neuroscientist
Then next up were revelations from the family through an interview by the Graf Boys at TV-Wild.
So on top of all of the above, unbelievably, they did NOT test the meat for 1080!! Is this not all screaming ‘cover up’? Go figure.
The article below is from mainstream media with the family’s lawyer expressing concern. For a change mainstream is challenging the official stories. Quite rare really, however they still fail to really nail the authorities down to a why? Why did they not test the meat, or why did they not test the family earlier? Then wander off into the possibilities of mushrooms or other plant life, still skirting that 1080 issue. The point is, the authorities in question have been caught with their proverbial pants down, and are still remaining silent.
You should be concerned that we have a large public hospital here that appears to be officially lying to the public, going by their own notes “… there was no evidence to suggest botulism”. This has implications for your future treatment should you fall ill and be at their mercy. Worse, should you fall ill from suspected 1080 poisoning, you should be very concerned in light of what happened to the young woman in 2006 whose heart incredibly, the NZ lab lost.
May we finally hear some truth on all of this.
Note: to read all articles on this topic scroll to the end of this article for a timeline, or for all articles on 1080 use the categories drop down box at left of the news page.
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From stuff.co.nz
Medical notes about a mystery poisoning that plunged three family members into a coma suggest inadequate testing, the family’s spokeswoman says.
Shibu Kochummen, 35, his wife Subi Babu, 33, and his mother Alekutty Daniel, 62, were found in a vegetative stateon the floor of their Putaruru home on November 10 shortly after eating a wild boar curry.
“The Waikato DHB is the lead agency and MPI had a very minimal involvement at the initial stages in working with ESR (Institute of Environmental Science and Research) on some testing procedures,” the spokesperson said in a statement.
“We do not believe there are any public health concerns as this incident/issue appears to be confined to one particular family.”
Professor Steve Flint, an expert in food safety and microbiology at Massey University, said he hoped more food testing had been conducted by MPI or the DHB.
“My surprise – from what I’ve read from media reports – is that there isn’t a full scale investigation into this.
“I’m quite surprised that no one has actually looked at the food and analysed the food.”
Toxins in some kind of plant could have caused the violent illness, Flint said.
“[Wild] mushrooms can also be quite toxic. You get almost hallucinogenic.
“There’s always the possibility of something that we haven’t discovered yet, something new.
“If it is, it would be unusual but this whole scenario is unusual.
“In a country like New Zealand, you often think about our native plants and things that people may not have reported any illnesses from.
“If it’s not botulism then what is it, because we need to know.”
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Waikato Regional Councilor Kathy White, having read the finally released medical notes for the Kochumman family poisoned by wild boar in Putaruru, has raised some important questions. Developments with regard to the anomalies surrounding this case have been curious to say the least. Read our previous articles and posts on topic *below.
(1) 1080 was the number one suspect, according to the poisoned patients’ medical notes. The Waikato DHB states that they have tested for 1080. However the date of the urine test was 18 days after hospitalisation, which is outside of the time that 1080 is detectable in urine (it is excreted from urine within seven days of ingestion – See Charles Eason’s Vertebrate Pesticides Toxicology Manual for further details). So why was this test not done within the correct time frame?
(2) (Incredibly) none of the meat collected by MPI has been tested for 1080. This was confirmed in a meeting with the WDHB yesterday. Why was it was not tested, when the patients’ medical notes say the wild boar meat should be tested for 1080?
(3) Why did they continue to say it was botulism when they knew early on that the symptoms didn’t fully align?
(4) Why has neither the WDHB nor MPI followed up with the person who provided the wild boar meat to Shibu’s family? This information is held by the WDHB. It could be a public health risk as this person has probably supplied meat to others.
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Responding to these issues was never rocket science. Why would the family’s meat not be tested for 1080? Why would you wait 18 days to test the family for 1080 knowing perfectly well that the results would be useless?
How safe people do you feel about eating your hunting catch now? These are all issues people have been trying persistently to address with little success as our country continues to be showered relentlessly with a poison that has no known antidote.
*LINKS TO HISTORICAL TIMELINE:
Family face permanent disablity after eating wild pig
https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpress.com/2017/11/17/family-face-permanent-disablity-after-eating-wild-pig/
A New form of Botulism or something more deadly? (the case of the poisoned Waikato family)
https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpress.com/2017/11/22/a-new-form-of-botulism-or-something-more-deadly-the-case-of-the-poisoned-waikato-family/
Update from a Neuroscientist on the Waikato family poisoned by wild boar meat .. the anomalies surrounding the official diagnosis
https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpress.com/2017/12/10/update-on-the-waikato-family-poisoned-by-wild-boar-meat-and-the-anomalies-surrounding-the-official-diagnosis/
Suspect meat seemed in ‘pristine condition’ after 35 days
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/346324/suspect-meat-seemed-in-pristine-condition-after-35-days
Poisoned family having difficulty accessing their medical records
https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpress.com/2017/12/27/poisoned-family-having-difficulty-accessing-their-medical-records/
Wild Boar Botulism Family Speak Out – The Full Story from the GrafBoys
https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpress.com/category/1080/
Crying ‘botulism’ from day one, we now have a complete ‘about face’ on the poisoned Waikato family
https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpress.com/2017/12/23/crying-botulism-from-day-one-we-now-have-a-complete-about-face-on-the-poisoned-waikato-family/
Mystery family poisoning – ‘No evidence’ boar was the cause
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/346807/mystery-family-poisoning-no-evidence-boar-was-the-cause
Why 18 days to test for 1080? Waikato DHB feeds public porkies on poisoned wild pork test results
https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/waikato-dhb-feeds-public-porkies-on-poisoned-wild-pork-test-results/
Published on Jan 1, 2018
What reason could there be to deny a family to see their own medical records? Not rocket science is it? We are frequently seeing now this denial with regard to OIA requests. What are they hiding? See the other articles on this topic (use the search box or categories).
From newstalkzb.co.nz
One of the Waikato family struck down with a serious mystery illness is battling with the district health board to see his own medical records.
Shibu Kochummen – along with Subi Babu and Alekutty Daniel – have been released from hospital, but doctors are in the dark as to what caused their month long unconscious episode.
Doctors are back in the dark about what caused their weeks-long paralysis, after testing ruled out botulism and boar meat as the cause, which was earlier suspected.
Family spokesman Joji Varghese said they are still suffering from full body aches and chronic fatigue, but are recovering at home with family from India.
Varghese said the health board hasn’t made it easy for Mr Kochummen to see his own files.
“Once we started to see this hesitation to give this out, it was so many hoops to jump through, we started wondering what is happening. Are people really hiding something, what’s happening here.”
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For weeks, since this Putaruru family was first hospitalized after a meal of wild boar meat, mainstream media has told us the family had botulism.
“All three members of a Waikato family struck down with botulism after eating freshly slaughtered wild boar meat have regained consciousness”. Stuff.co.nz
A number of folk requested information on the issue under the OIA but were declined citing patient confidentiality.
TV Wild put in a request four weeks ago and this was also declined, even with patient consent.
Understandably given the widespread use of 1080 throughout NZ people wanted reassurance it wasn’t 1080 poisoning of beast or human via secondary poisoning even. We had a Neuroscientist also speaking out about the symptoms and how they did not match botulism.
Then, two nights ago the Graf Boys (maker of the documentary on 1080 called Poisoning Paradise) having obtained consent from the family, published an interview with friends of the family. The revelations were startling especially regarding the after effects of the poison. (We also published that video this morning, you can see it here.)
“Joji Varghese describes how up to four nurses were required to restrain the victims, because their involuntary convulsions were likely to harm the patients and the nurses. They had to be strapped to their beds.”
Now, the very next morning we have an article in the Herald telling us that the family’s test results have now been returned (coincidentally?) and the verdict is that no it was not botulism. Even more coincidentally, we learn they had also been tested for 1080 and the results were negative. So just two days ago, the family were also refused the results to all testing for another 20 days, yet the following day (after the release of the family interview) mainstream media has the test results?
“The family was also tested for 1080 poisoning and that was negative too”. Radio NZ
This is another flip flop as you will note in the this article they hadn’t tested for 1080 because the family would have to eat a bowlful to be poisoned to the extent they were it was claimed.
“He revealed the family had also been tested for mercury, arsenic and lead poisoning but not 1080 as doctors believed they would have needed to consume a cereal bowl full for it to have such a violent effect.” NZ Herald
And now we are being told that even the boar meat was not the cause:
“No evidence boar was the cause” Radio NZ
It appears that the authorities have destroyed all of the meat that was in the family’s freezer (now why would you do that?). And the meal left on the table is still in pristine non decayed condition, unlike the rest of the food left there.
So, it is all looking murkier by the hour. Do you still trust the authorities? The media? Your government? (which is a corporation mind). The hospital management? And we have other growing anomalies in the 1080 mix.
Educate yourself on 1080 by visiting the Graf Boys’ website, the 1080science site, our 1080 pages and by following the links here. During the holiday period take a look at the documentary Poisoning Paradise plus other videos on topic at the same link.
Find more 1080 articles at ‘categories’ or use the search box. EnvirowatchRangitikei
ARTICLES CITED:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11964419&ref=NZH_fb
Here it is again … all uploaded again for those who saw it appear briefly last night … and thanks to the Graf Boys for this coverage on the family who were poisoned recently after consuming wild boar meat. See our other posts on this issue by using the search box or ‘categories’ (left of news page). See our 1080 pages for links to both the Graf Boys’ and other information. This includes independent information & research that you will largely not find in mainstream sources. EnvirowatchRangitikei
Published on Dec 20, 2017
ARTICLE BY Serena Maja* and Michelle Read
“Rehabilitation from sub lethal 1080 poisoning is simple. Time.
Botulism treatment takes a long time, years. Whereas recovery from sub lethal 1080 poisoning is much faster.
This family could have been treated for alzheimers, for mumps, for shellfish poisoning, for botulism, for polio, for meningitis. The results would be the same, they would recover.
The timeline of the recovery is just as diagnostic as the timeline of the illness, and the time line does NOT fit botulism” … Serena Maja, Neuroscientist
The family is facing a massive medical bill after they were made ill following a meal of wild boar.
Officials are still to confirm botulism, but it is the ‘only thing’ they are testing for. And now the report says ‘confirmation will take months’.
ACC has told them they don’t ‘qualify’ for compensation and botulism is not covered by ACC.
We are not making the statement that this is poisoning from pest control operations, but at the same time we find it interesting that the authorities are determined that they have a case of botulism and do not look elsewhere.
The International Society for Infectious Diseases asked on the 18th November for clarification because this is unlikely to be botulism. A number of medical professionals have contacted us within NZ and stated that this family cannot have contracted botulism because of the timing of the onset of symptoms, the symptom of loss of consciousness, and the fact that botulism is not contracted from fresh meat.
However, this family did not receive a lethal dose of poison.
Pig sensitivity to 1080, for example, is estimated at between 0.4mg/kg and 1mg/kg.
Animals rapidly evolve resistance to 1080, and we have used 1080 poison for more than 60 years.
Exposure to sub lethal 1080 doses can lead to protection against 10x the normal LD50.
Therefore, these boar (and we have no real data on boar) may be able to tolerate 4mg/kg and 10mg/kg minimum, before half of them fall over and die.
Human susceptibility is not known. Estimates are between 1mg/kg and 4mg/kg, although we do know that genetic variations in the human glutathione transferase enzyme change sensitivity, i.e. different halotypes/races of humans will experience variations on that sensitivity.
It is not unlikely that the family ate a significant non-lethal dose of fluoroacetate and fluorocitrate (the lethal metabolite of 1080) from poisoned pork.
The onset time of 1080 poisoning is 30 minutes, the symptoms are identical.
Botulism and Botox (botulinum toxin) poisoning do not fit the symptoms at all, either dynamically or by effect.
Tutin poisoning does not fit the observed toxicological profile either.
Why is 1080 not being considered as the primary likely cause? Are we putting our fingers in our ears and refusing to look?
We are dropping ever increasing amounts of the stuff. Two pellets will kill a child. This kind of sub-lethal secondary poisoning is an ever increasing likelihood. We’ve observed it in raptors catching sub-lethally poisoned mammals already.
The test for 1080 poisoning (and fluorocitrate poisoning, 1080 being the delivery mechanism for fluorocitrate) is simple, yet our government insists it is not. NMR spectroscopy is used worldwide to observe either the fluoridated molecules directly, or to assay the metabolic by-products of fluorocitrate poisoning.
Given the amount of 1080 used in NZ, we should have test facilities in every major population centre.
The fact we do not speaks volumes.
“One of the most detailed descriptions of recovery from 1080 poisoning is McTaggart’s (1970) report of a child who ingested rabbit bait: Ten days after ingesting 1080, the boy began to recover during hospitalisation. He was able to keep his eyes open, and to appreciate some movement, but had marked hypertonicity of all limbs with frequent spasms of his arms and legs. At this time he was incapable of spontaneous movement, and remained unable to feed himself for a full two weeks after regaining consciousness. Twenty-four days after he ingested 1080, the boy had regained some range of movement in his arms and was able to recognise familiar people and objects. Ten years later there was evidence of mental retardation with a verbal IQ of 65, he was still unable to walk without crutches, and suffered from tetraplegia, hypertonicity of all limbs, cogwheel rigidity of the wrists, moderate to severe cortical blindness, divergent squint, and epilepsy. It is likely that the mental retardation was the result of brain damage caused by anoxia during periods of fitting (Pridmore 1978), although there is evidence of brain damage resulting directly from fluoroacetate poisoning (Trabes et al 1983). Other patients have experienced a similar prolonged recovery period (5–6 days) (Gajdusek & Luther 1950; Robinson et al 2002) with complete eventual recovery. Pneumonia is a frequent complication of human 1080 poisoning cases (Williams 1948; Brockman et al 1955; Pridmore 1978; Ramirez 1986). While these infec- tions may reflect hospital intervention, it is also possible that infection is promoted because of the increased respi- ratory secretions typical of 1080 exposure (Chenoweth & Gilman 1946; Quin & Clark 1947; Brockman et al 1955; McIlroy 1981, 1982a, 1983, 1984, 1985).”
We are suggesting the cause could be 1080 as the time frame of the symptoms, the symptoms themselves, the time frame of the recovery and the symptoms of the recovery match 1080 poisoning. Doctors didn’t diagnose botulinum toxin, they thought that it might be, and treated as if it was. As yet, the results for the tests which would confirm botulism have not come back, and without those tests, the unusual time frame, unusual symptoms, unusual time of recovery and unusual recovery symptoms, botulism is unlikely. Recovery from non-lethal 1080 poisoning is time – (I’ve quoted the 10 year old boy case which is a perfect exemplar). They could have had limb massage, prayer circles or irrelevant anti-toxin for botox and they would still have recovered in the same way as observed recovery from non-lethal 1080 is normal, it is only if they had had a lethal dose that they wouldn’t have recovered.
*Serena Maja has a Masters degree in Neuroscience from Cambridge University, UK and a background in Analytic Chemistry and Natural Sciences.
COMMENT FROM ADMIN:
As I sometimes add to controversial posts, part of the purpose of this site is to expose lies and corruption and to publish truth that mainstream media will not. If you happen to be pro any topic posted here, there is little point trying to spark up a debate in the attempt to convince myself or others of your view point. I suggest you head to mainstream media where you will find like minds & your posts will almost certainly be published. It also goes without saying, abusive commenters are blocked instantly. The Neuroscientist cited in this particular post wishes to remain anonymous so has used a pseudonym. This is obviously why you will not find the name in a google search however I can assure you that Neuroscientist Serena Maja is real and is a Cambridge Masters. The wish for anonymity is not unusual, and people do contact me from time to time stating the same … for obvious reasons. Recent history has proven that speaking the truth or challenging the status quo these days can incur very unpleasant repercussions. You can accept or reject the information offered in this article as you wish. Nobody is saying it was 1080 that poisoned the family, we are asking the question everybody should be, why is 1080 not being tested for when clearly no firm diagnosis has yet been reached? I have added one response by Serena who I’ve made aware of some of the questions that have come in. And on that note, the questioners clearly have not read the article properly as most of the queries are answered in the article itself anyway. EnvirowatchRangitikei
REFERENCES:
https://academic.oup.com/toxsci/article/69/2/439/1679717
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Miranda_Sherley/publication/228620466_Is_sodium_fluoroacetate_1080_a_humane_poison/links/0deec53b29369d82a3000000.pdf
This article (now updated) was originally posted on the No to 1080 use in NZ Facebook page
Tuesday 21 November 2017, 2:15PM
By J. James
“…in the process of elimination the doctors think it is definitely some sort of poisoning within the boar itself so maybe the boar has consumed poison before it was shot down and so whatever was in its blood has found itself in to theirs ….”
With the recent case of poisoned pig meat causing serious health affects in three members of one New Zealand family the world is watching and asking are we seeing a new form of botulism?
PubMed ProMED – is the International society for Infectious diseases and has this to say -(find it at the bottom of the page)
”…In summary, if this is proven to be due to botulism, by identification of the toxin in either the patients and/or in the food, the description of the time of onset of the symptoms would make this reportable as 15-30 mins post ingestion is highly unusual…”…
In short they are questioning if this is indeed botulism given the symptoms or even a new strain.
However, they do not know New Zealand’s history of dropping a deadly poison into its eco system a poison so deadly there is no antidote – a poison that kills anything that breaths oxygen and that can be up taken by both plants and animals in sub lethal doses.
sodium fluoroacetate better known in New Zealand as compound 1080 is indiscriminately aerially dropped out of helicopters throughout New Zealand’s pristine eco system and water ways.
interestingly in a Radio NZ interview – family friend and church member Joji Varghese, had this to say
..“…in the process of elimination the doctors think it is definitely some sort of poisoning within the boar itself so maybe the boar has consumed poison before it was shot down and so whatever was in its blood has found itself in to theirs ….”
He goes on to say that without a proper toxicology report no one can be sure and that the toxicology report is expected shortly
Social media is abuzz with theories – I am not saying here that it is sodium fluoroacetate but it is certainly something to look at because of its ubiquitous presence within the entire eco system of New Zealand
It serves no one to obscure all possibilities because one might upset a million dollar industry.
It is not uncommon nor is it unknown as this study shows
Sodium fluoroacetate residue in feral pig (Sus scrofa) carcasses – Is it a significant secondary poisoning hazard?
...”….Feral pig control in Australia is heavily reliant upon poisoning with sodium fluoroacetate (1080) bait. Tissue residue levels may be considerable and pose a potential risk to non-target consumers. Tissue/fluid samples (liver, kidney, stomach, stomach contents, small intestine, large intestine, muscle and eye) from lethally poisoned feral pigs were removed and assayed for fluoroacetate concentration. The digestive system, specifically the stomach contents and stomach, consistently contained the greatest concentration of 1080 within individuals. Few non-target animals apart from introduced mammals (fox, dog, cat) appear at risk from consuming muscle tissue, however, many native species may be at risk from consuming visceral tissue (especially stomach and contents). The practical risk is probably low and reduced given the rapid decomposition of carcasses in the field. Regular consumption of poisoned pork may exceed the recommended daily intake of fluoroacetate and be a risk to human health, but there is a low probability of this occurring…”..
Pigs can also eat deer or possums that have been killed by compound 1080 and gain a sub lethal dose from that
Research is showing that one of the fingerprints to look for is fluorocitrate
What I am learning through others in the Stop the drops movement is that Sodium Fluoracetate metabolises into FluoroCITRATE or is a metabolite of compound 1080.
…”….It has been known for many years that fluoroacetate and fluorocitrate when metabolized are highly toxic….”…
We know that – 1 part per trillion in water can disrupt hormones and be uptaken by plants
In a separate study – a vet is calling for an investigation into a toxin in wild pigs that affects dogs and might also make humans sick. – which begs the question – might this also be connected with compound 1080 being up taken by plants and eaten by pigs
compound 1080 is an indiscriminate killer with no antidote with potentially harmful and life threating sub lethal does –
There is very limiting independent study done on what it is actually doing in the environment as this report shows
A Critical Look at Aerial-Dropped, Poison-Laced Food in New Zealand’s Forest Ecosystems
We all await the toxicology report and pray for the full recovery of the family
If you would like to help the family please go here
SOURCE:
https://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=114854
Environmental Health Watch NZ 
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